Dentology Podcast with Shaadi Manouchehri

Transcript from Dentology Podcast with Shaadi Manouchehri

Episode released on Monday 10th April 2023

andy___chris:
So another, yet another episode, another exciting episode. I cannot wait, just about sitting down through the excitement of it all, and here we go. So today we are joined by Shaadi Manouchehri, who is a dentist director of the London School of Facial Asthetics, podcast, host of Teeth and Tales, and a social media queen with twelve thousand followers on Instagram, and eighty seven thousand on Tik Tok and six million likes, which is quite remarkable. welcome Shaadi. How you doing? It’s not bad game for a dentist.

shaadi:
Very well, thank you guys. Thank you for a lovely introduction. You’ve really done your research and your home work. That’s very impressive.

andy___chris:
We did. We did little bit of De. About those numbers were at last week and things move quickly, so it may be even more by now.

shaadi:
It may be.

andy___chris:
You know, So I understand your name. It translates to happiness, which seems to cap your spirit so well, because whenever you meet, you’re always smiling. you’re always happy. You’re very much kind of a cup, half full type of person.

shaadi:
Thank you so much. That’s a lovely way of putting. Yes, she does mean happiness. My parents were very happy when I was born. They were expecting me to be a boy and they already had a son, so

andy___chris:
Oh

shaadi:
they

andy___chris:
sweet,

shaadi:
were very happy. My mom didn’t scream when she was giving birth to me. She, she screamed when she found out I was a girl,

andy___chris:
Oh

shaadi:
And

andy___chris:
lovely

shaadi:
that’s where the name came from,

andy___chris:
Williams. So what do I need to know about your your early years to understand the person you become today?

shaadi:
So I guess a lot of it goes back to my family. I am very, very close to my family and everything that I do. everything I’ve done everything I am because of them, genetically, and otherwise, we always joke that the Gens and my family are all very ambitious, very high achieving and were always striving to do better than the previous generation and they keep us going. I always talk about my mom who encourages me to be a better person to do better, and I know when I went on Payments podcast years ago, I was talking about my mom the entire time and how she inspires me to become a better person, and everything I do is to make my family proud. I was born in London, but I grew up in Ran until I was eleven years old, and then I moved back to the U. K, with my family for better education generally, and went to Uni, And Yeah, those are my early years Summed up.

andy___chris:
How did it turn out that you were born in London, but went back to Van, for for a number of years with with a family over here just temporarily.

shaadi:
My family couldn’t really make up their mind as to where they wanted to live, so both my parents studied here and then they went back, which is where they met. They got married and then they came back. They went back and forth quite a few times when my brother and I were young, and then they eventually decided to settle, settle down there, and then, when the time came for us to sort of get serious about our education, they decided to make the move. A lot of my cousins. A lot of people in my family just moved over here for for university and went back, But my family, because of the background they had here, they decided to kind of move and definitely and we all came together.

andy___chris:
So you came over and you did your. what would have been your g, C Cs. over here.

shaadi:
Yeah, so it was a very challenging time because I personally didn’t speak English. My entire family obviously did. my parents. did my brother S a genius. so he spoke for I see German English fully.

andy___chris:
Wow, annoying.

shaadi:
It was a difficult. exactly. It was a difficult time for him because he had to do his straight away. He’s four years older than me. Whereas I had a few years before. I had any serious examples. It was all kind of

andy___chris:
So

shaadi:
getting

andy___chris:
why

shaadi:
the hang

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did

shaadi:
of

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you?

shaadi:
everything.

andy___chris:
why did you learn English?

shaadi:
I was eleven.

andy___chris:
Wow? Well, it

shaadi:
Yeah,

andy___chris:
sounds like you’ve just always been a sweet English.

shaadi:
I have a bit of an accent. If you listen closely,

andy___chris:
Yeah,

shaadi:
and if

andy___chris:
you

shaadi:
I’m really

andy___chris:
have.

shaadi:
tired, my accent comes out.

andy___chris:
Yeah, but not, but not much at all. not much at all.

shaadi:
Thank you. I’ll take that as a compliment, but it was really really difficult because I was. I’ve always been sort of sociable, and you know I wouldn’t say extraverted. I’m an introvert, extra vert, but for me it was a difficult time to sort of move here, go to school and not be able to speak to anybody and make any connections or relationship, So I remember I would sit in class about, you know, for a good month or two, and I couldn’t speak to anybody because I didn’t understand anything. Luckily, from from an academic point of view, we were quite advance Then on, so I understood everything that was being taught, particularly in things like maths and science. You know, mah, there’s no language barriers such so I was lucky in that academically we were advanced, but it took me a while to catch up in terms of speaking the language and also things like English literature, English language. I

andy___chris:
M.

shaadi:
still don’t like them very much because they were always very difficult for me.

andy___chris:
I get teased

shaadi:
No,

andy___chris:
So

shaadi:
no,

andy___chris:
everyone

shaadi:
thankfully,

andy___chris:
sort of lift

shaadi:
no,

andy___chris:
you. Everyone left you alone. It wasn’t like they

shaadi:
yeah,

andy___chris:
picked on you

shaadi:
yeah, but

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as

shaadi:
there

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good.

shaadi:
was a lot of. There was a lot of things that culturally I just didn’t understand because growing up and around, the school that I went to was one of the best schools in Theron, and everybody that went to school with me, All my friends had a very, very similar background to me. We all lived near each other, so

andy___chris:
M.

shaadi:
for me to move here, and when I went to school, everybody was different. Everyone came from a different background, be at ethnically or otherwise, so it was Really really challenging for me to understand the culture and all of that and be sensitive to the culture of topics and things, Because

andy___chris:
M.

shaadi:
I had no idea I had grown up in a place where

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M.

shaadi:
everybody was the same, so it was really difficult. sort of culture shock for me initially, but I got used to it very quickly and I had my family around me to support me.

andy___chris:
Was it a lonely period of time Because I’d imagine it’s probably quite isolating and just being able to communicate with your friends at school

shaadi:
It was difficult, but to me I had so much going on that I didn’t focus on that. I was just

andy___chris:
Right

shaadi:
very focused on making sure I can learn quickly so I can make friends, and you know, get to know people. because secondary school as well, a lot of people are already trying to make friends and trying to find out what they’re about at that critical age And for me it was just an added add a challenge that I had to deal with.

andy___chris:
And then, And did you decide quite early in your life that Dent was for you, or was that something that came later? I only asked because in the school system, and you notice because you came through it that you kind of have to decide on your Gccswhen, your thirteen fourteen, and that kind

shaadi:
Yeah,

andy___chris:
of sets the path what your aighevels become, which gives you the intrygrade to go to dental school.

shaadi:
Yes, absolutely. I didn’t know one hundred percent, but I kind of knew. I mean, I always drink about this coming from a Persian background as only a certain number of degrees that you can really study that are accepted by your parents, Dentistry being one of them, So I knew that I always be doing difficult, Gcsisthe, science, Pace,

andy___chris:
Is

shaadi:
G,

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this?

shaadi:
C,

andy___chris:
is this the

shaadi:
S.

andy___chris:
doctor, dentist, lawyer or failure? Is it that one?

shaadi:
Engineer engineer. Yes,

andy___chris:
our engineer?

shaadi:
we’re not so sure about lawyers, so it’s Doctor Dents, the engineer

andy___chris:
What about

shaadi:
and

andy___chris:
Count Coutance? Maybe

shaadi:
account. They’re actually. That’s actually quite a good point. I think the list has been probably up dated in recent years, but the highest compliment anyone can give you and Persian culture is to call you a doctor, an engineer, and that’s literally what you have to study. I guess

andy___chris:
That’s

shaadi:
my

andy___chris:
interesting.

shaadi:
brother was obviously bit ahead of me, so he kind of. I guess he knew Pretty early on he wanted to do me decine, and that was because of his passion. Me. I knew medicine was an option, but I stared more towards entistry and again, That was never actually know if it was my decision or my parents. But if it was there then they did a good job of hiding it because

andy___chris:
They were

shaadi:
I

andy___chris:
very

shaadi:
think

andy___chris:
subtle.

shaadi:
I decided for myself.

andy___chris:
Yeah, but you used to with someone who’s got quite a lot of creativity will come on to your kind of your social media content later, so that creativity in artistic element sits better in my view with dentistry than Isan anyway, because there’s a very strong creative element to the work that you do in dentistry

shaadi:
Yeah, and I always, I always knew that I couldn’t handle medicine.

andy___chris:
Right,

shaadi:
I mean, I genuinely, My brother tells me stories and things that. I think, if I was a medical doctor, I would be in a corner crying the entire time. I wouldn’t be very

andy___chris:
M,

shaadi:
happy. I wouldn’t be able to have that emotional intelligence to separate my person of life from my wife life. So I don’t think

andy___chris:
M.

shaadi:
I could handle that And and that became truly apparent when I was doing Max facts, and I realized that I actually can’t dissociate my wife life from my home life, so I don’t think I would make a very good doctor because you To be in a position where you can separate that so you can look after your patients and make decisions and

andy___chris:
Yep,

shaadi:
be good under pressure. I don’t think I could do that.

andy___chris:
Right. So what was your our dental scored experience like I assumed by now, But He time you got to dental school, you fluent in English and communication was way easy than it was.

shaadi:
I was dental school for had its own challenges for me. I became quite stressed and anxious my first year of dental school, and I don’t talk about that lot in detail because it’s still a sensitive topic for me, but in my first year of dental school I found the adaptation from school to university quite challenging in that when I was at school, you know, by this point when I was doing my level, I had my solid group of friends. I was doing really well academically and in extra circular stuff, So I always felt like I was put up on a Pete store, which was really really nice in school. You know, I was always involved in school works, and I had a solid group of friends that I was very close with and we were all doing such different things. Nobody else was doing the industry, and that everybody was unique and celebrated for who they were. When I went to dental school, I felt that I wasn’t special anymore because everybody else had tons of as and stars and extracuaractivities and all of these things, so I found that quite challenging to deal. So in

andy___chris:
M.

shaadi:
my first year of dental school, I struggled a lot with dealing with anxiety and things like that.

andy___chris:
It’s amazing. Actually, one of my friend’s sons. he was. He was smart in score, and then he went to Cambridge, and exactly the same thing, He then realized that he might not been quite as smart as as he thought he was, because obviously everyone else was really smart in the room, and it blew exactly the same show. He had a real struggle for the first year, sort of trying to come to terms with it because it was. He’d been alien for his past ten years. Not aware. your kind of You know in the top one percent. Suddenly

shaadi:
Exactly

andy___chris:
you’re mixing with everybody who is in the top one percent, So I can see how that that would be quite a shock, particularly at the time when the first year of anything is always hard. So the first year university is tricky and you’ve got got that to deal with well, but clearly you adjusted to because you carried on and got through it. Did you stay at

shaadi:
I,

andy___chris:
home or did you go when you’re

shaadi:
I

andy___chris:
in?

shaadi:
did.

andy___chris:
the?

shaadi:
I stayed at home. I was very quite. I was that throughout my life I wanted to stay in London. I don’t like going outside. So

andy___chris:
She’s like a fine wine. You don’t drink. Well,

shaadi:
Yeah, but after that experience I mean, it was a make break moment for me. I failed my part one exams even though I was studying more than I’d ever studied in my life, But because I was unwell and not looking after myself, I wasn’t eating a

andy___chris:
Okay,

shaadi:
lot. I lost a lot of weight and I failed my exams even though I was studying a lot because I just couldn’t contain the information I was reading and that became a maker break moment for me where I suddenly realized Actually, I’ve worked so hard to get here. I’m not going to let this sort of run Everything for me, so I had a lot of help from my family and my g. P. and I got the help that I needed and I turned things around, and from then on I focused on doing better.

andy___chris:
I mean, it’s a real lesson. People to you know a lot of people today. they think resilience is just one of the things that you talk about, But it’s like a learned to experience, isn’t it? And your experience was incredibly hard, but you come out the other side of it and you become a different person. I think lots of young people, and you may have found yourself in this category before you went to dental school. That kind of everything just tried along, and there were never anything that kind of challenge you to deal with it and come through the other side. Great thing. And would you have advice for the next generation who are kind of heading into dental school Lower the next couple of years, or already in dental school. what would your advice be to those students?

shaadi:
I think, to be honest, especially now, I think people going into dental school now have it much harder than even I did. because with social media and everything, it’s so easy to see a screwed per perspective of everyone’s life. When that’s really not the case, you just see the highlights. you just se the positive things, you don’t see the struggles. you don’t see the anxiety. you don’t see the low point,

andy___chris:
M.

shaadi:
so I think the advice I would give to them, and to be honest myself at any stage of my life is just to look after yourself alongside, reach Your goals and ambitions, because

andy___chris:
M.

shaadi:
unless you’re well and you’re looking after yourself, you can’t enjoy anything that you achieve. And you know like I had this rule throughout dental school that I would never study the day before an exam the day before an example. Ud always be a self care day. For me, I would either go shopping or for coffee with my mom, or you know I would have a spare day and things like that, because you being well really affects your performance. like my. My reasoning was that if I saw somethin The day before, an example that I didn’t know, it would really get me panicked. It would get me in your horrible state of mind, and I wouldn’t be able to perform well,

andy___chris:
That’s

shaadi:
And I

andy___chris:
smart,

shaadi:
did experience this when I

andy___chris:
Really

shaadi:
would.

andy___chris:
clever.

shaadi:
It’s so true, and even now if I have anything coming up, If I a serious presentation. Now the day before is a self care that you don’t. you don’t study the day before an important event.

andy___chris:
No,

shaadi:
I would say that’s my advice. Don’t overdo it in terms of your studying, because it doesn’t necessarily mean you’ll do better.

andy___chris:
It’s not bad. a coffee shop in spare order. I was going to say, On that basis, you want two or three big present hosts a week.

shaadi:
Uh,

andy___chris:
that would be

shaadi:
uh,

andy___chris:
a perfect life.

shaadi:
Uh,

andy___chris:
Just gotta go shop of coffee. So

shaadi:
huh

andy___chris:
so so you then then came out of dental school and did your F. D year? So what was your? your Fdyealbecause. Talking to lots of students at dental Score. There were many markets event last week. It’s interesting be cause You don’t deal with real patients and real emotions, and the whole, you know three hunder and sixty degrees of being a patient. So how is that to start with for you,

shaadi:
For me again, my dear was kind of challenging because I was in an area of London where there was a set in demographics. I was in east London in Ford, and there was a high Asian population and a lot of them didn’t speak English and I was there trying to figure out my dentistry, trying to figure out how to speak to patients, and I couldn’t even speak to them and I didn’t necessarily have a supportive environment. Unfortunately, I clashed a lot with my trainer during that year. We did have a couple of classes during the year. I’m not Want to

andy___chris:
M,

shaadi:
stay quiet when I think there’s in justice being done. So I spoke up and he didn’t. He didn’t particularly like that. You know the nurses I was having, I was given a training nurse who wasn’t very good, and you know, being an, you have to have a trained nurse. You have to have a qualified nurse

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M,

shaadi:
to help you, And

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M,

shaadi:
unfortunately, that was the case for me, so I was there trying to deal with my nurse, who unfortunately wasn’t very good at what she was doing and she wasn’t very receptive as the information we were giving her, none of my patients spoke List, and I was there trying to do something I’ve never done before. In terms of it, was a high Nees area as well, so there was a lot

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M,

shaadi:
of treatment to be done in terms of

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M.

shaadi:
difficult modorendos extraction, tents. All of these things that I hadn’t dealt with before, so it was challenging, but I learned a lot and I think I took full advantage of it and I clinically got a lot better during that year.

andy___chris:
Yeah, Chris and I talk about it a lot in terms of where aware of those learning moments, and as lovely as it is to learn from people who are great. You actually do learn an awful lot from people who aren’t great and changing situations. and whilst in the moment it’s not great, you do take so much from those, don’t you?

shaadi:
Yeah, exactly, and I think it’s not necessarily when things go right that you learn things. It’s when things aren’t going

andy___chris:
If

shaadi:
well,

andy___chris:
no?

shaadi:
and you know I’m not one to sit here and moon about the situation. I mean, it’s just about making the best of whatever situation you’re in, because everyone’s going to have their own challenges.

andy___chris:
M?

shaadi:
whatever situation you’re in. It’s just about making the most of it and making sure things aren’t being done unfairly. I think if you’re if you’re an F. D. it’s easy to think well. You know. this just must be it. but having spoken to my colleague and my P. s, I knew that my situation was a bit different to that. Um, So that’s when I was kind of more motivated to take action to change things for the better.

andy___chris:
But you dug in and stayed there as well, though you didn’t

shaadi:
I did.

andy___chris:
show

shaadi:
Yeah,

andy___chris:
the diversity you learned from the diversities. Interesting what you had to do. So then you qualified and you were out in the big wide world and your identistso.

shaadi:
I was. it was

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you

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very

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came

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exciting

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back.

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time

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So

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for

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did

shaadi:
me.

andy___chris:
you then come back into the safety of in London,

shaadi:
Um,

andy___chris:
Because I see Ford’s quite quite edgy. But

shaadi:
as far

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by your

shaadi:
as

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standards,

shaadi:
I will go,

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that’s that’s that’s quite a travel, isn’t it? She said,

shaadi:
It

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she

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was.

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didn’t

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it

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travel

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was very

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very

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chatto

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well.

shaadi:
For work. For what I could travel. where

andy___chris:
Oh

shaadi:
otherwise

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so,

shaadi:
I go. Yes, I then came and did my D. C to your one year, guys, guys in Saint Thomas’s and as we know, you know, that’s the best place to be and I know from bats, And you know Bartonmlines will probably won’t appreciate me saying this, but you know people who have rivalry between Bart and guys and those who think guys are superior. I mean, their view definitely is better than I was there with the same view as the people on the shot. So it was it was wonderful. I did De city One in patric and restorative industry. So six months of peas at Saint Thomas’s Six months of restorative guys, This is when I thought I wanted to be an uthodontist, So getting a training post in Pdiactrics was very, very good and unheard of, and you know my friends and things, because it was a difficult post to get, so I was very pleased

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M.

shaadi:
with that and I had a great year during that year.

andy___chris:
Yeah, and you did do a prosgraduat diploma in a line of therapy as well. Didn’t you

shaadi:
I’m doing that now. So

andy___chris:
was at

shaadi:
when

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one

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I

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going

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was in

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right,

shaadi:
hospital, Yes, so when I was in hospital, I quickly realized I didn’t like the hospital environment, so I didn’t want to do the sort of post graduate training specialist pathway. So then this was my way of doing authdontics training

andy___chris:
But

shaadi:
post graduate training.

andy___chris:
yeah, but you’ve got a lot on your plate Because you, you working as an associate still three days a week,

shaadi:
I am. Yes, I

andy___chris:
So

shaadi:
do have a lot of my plate.

andy___chris:
the thing is your associate

shaadi:
I need to

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three

shaadi:
end Wi

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days

shaadi:
that.

andy___chris:
a week. You’ve got your facial ascetic business. You’ve got your podcast that you’re doing, but you also developed in your social media profile as well with all the

shaadi:
Yeah,

andy___chris:
content you produce there. So you know, in days of old, we speak to lots of dentist, to who, perhaps you’ve been associates, many years, our own practices, and that consume them. So how did you balance all of these things? You know, because I think if we were talking out five years ago, you Very much been an outlier, but I think there’s more people moving towards your, your kind of style of working. But what’s the? What’s the secret source? To make sure that you can do all those things as well,

shaadi:
I would love to tell you there is a secret source, but there isn’t. and honestly, it’s an ongoing process to learn the balance and my health

andy___chris:
Jack in.

shaadi:
and my physical health is a good way of reminding me when I’m doing too much. Nd. Actually, we had a training course this weekend, So I was working all week. We had a training course this weekend. I personally had a podcast recording this morning, and as we know, I double booked this this podcast recording session.

andy___chris:
We weren’t going to tell. Anyway.

shaadi:
So it’s a lot and sometimes it’s too much for me when I’m doing too much. I have physical signs, so I get severe abdominal pain when I’m really really stressed, and I had an episode this morning, so I’m glad that’s over and I don’t have to deal with that, but it’s an ongoing process and I think I am quite an ambitious person and achieving certain things and gives me a high, And it just motivates me to keep going. It’s not easy. I haven’t cracked the code. I don’t. No, if anyone has the code. I think it’s an ongoing process of trial and error of seeing what works, but I would say the most important thing that I don’t do and I should do is looking after yourself because it’s quite easy to get carried away with you to do list and the stuff you want to achieve, but I think it’s very, very important to take a step back and say you’re actually today. I’m going to rest, and that’s equally as important as you know. a super productive day of just doing things and getting through to do list.

andy___chris:
I know you talked before about how important the environment is for you as well. in the if you’re in a positive environment, you tend to thrive and do really well, and I don’t know that kind of hearts back to your your experience or not, But in the mixture of work that you do, Do you consciously have to make sure you create a good environment to get the best out of you?

shaadi:
Yeah, absolutely, I think, in terms of the place as I work, I mean, I do have the ambitions of having my own practice one day. hopefully, but in the mean time, unfortunately I will have to work in other situations where I’m not in charge of a lot of things, so it’s quite difficult for me to find the right balance and knowing that there is no perfect place, it’s taken a lot of trial and error and I have had to go through experiences that haven’t been particularly pleasant, but I think what that taught me is that It’s very important to me where I work because if it’s a toxic environment, I’m not going to be productive and I’ve also learned to trust my instincts to know that even if I can’t justify why I’m uncomfortable, and in a situation I do need to leave because ultimately that’s not going to be the best position to be in. And you know that takes priority over anything else in terms of financial gain or Ou know progression in my career. So for example, I’ve been in practice, as I am particularly happy In hospital. I wasn’t particularly happy with certain things, so it’s taken the right. It’s taken trial and error to find the right balance and find where I’m happiest, and also with my content creation and the podcast and all of these things, I quickly found out that actually, that keeps me really really happy and motivated, and

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M

shaadi:
I’m in a fortunate position where my content creation is a stream of income as well, so it’s equally as important as my clinical work and I’ve been able to make it that way so I can create the ideal sort of work environ Anton, White Balance for myself.

andy___chris:
God or these things? When you do your cisy, the sins on Instagram, and stuff like that, So do they come to you or D you have to sit down and work out what you’re going to go? Something right. I’m going to talk about San. How does it sort of work on the creative process? Do you get a cornel of an idea that you then expand or do you sort of sit down and say I’m goin a do seven topics

shaadi:
It’s a combination of things, so I think when I first started it was very much what can I think of and what do I think will like best, and then a lot of trial and error to see what was really received well and what wasn’t particularly popular, and then moving forward, you know, working with brands and things like that, for example, work with Tiktok for a campaign, and they wanted to encourage sort of informative content on the platform, so that was very much on the basis of all, What are you going to teach people with this video? A Lot of the stuff I do is literally just for fun and to show people that dentists are relatable and that’s where my whole channel started. But some of these things are more gored towards raising knowledge and bringing information to people

andy___chris:
As entertain. I was gonna say, I think it’s I think it’s good stuff and ll come to kind of how you go about that in a minute. but in addition to that, you also have your podcast that you said, Teeth and Tails and

shaadi:
I do.

andy___chris:
it’s got a lovely lay back style. But we, we started this channel because there was a platform called Club House that was an old only platform only lasted for a very short period of time.

shaadi:
I remember that, yes,

andy___chris:
Remember like a riven died

shaadi:
yeah,

andy___chris:
over three months. It was

shaadi:
Yeah,

andy___chris:
good fun for a while, but We found that with that was he went out live. So if people weren’t around at a certain moment, that was it so recording like we do hear with so much better

shaadi:
Yeah,

andy___chris:
And we started because Basially wanted to hear people’s life stories. Have some fun, and out of that will come some business tips. and at the moment it’s gone really well. it’s gone. It’s been really enjoyable. What was the driver for you? in terms of doing teeth and tails? Why did you kick that off? Didn’t have enough to do? Yeah,

shaadi:
Yeah, I just didn’t have enough to do. Honestly. it’s really interesting because with Tiktokvideos so Tiktok is where it all started for me, Tiktok and Instagram and I created Tiktok vie, So with Tiktok, there is a lot of you know mining videos doing city

andy___chris:
M,

shaadi:
actions, not necessarily speaking. So the first sort of few speaking videos that I did there was a few random comments saying positive things like Oh, your voices, very therapeutic is very soothing. We would love to listen to you about this and that and that kind of plant A seat in my mind, and slowly that developed into the idea of a podcast. And you know when it started, this was two thousand twenty. Around the pandemic time, there wasn’t

andy___chris:
M,

shaadi:
many dental podcasts around, and I thought Well, you know, this will bring a lot for a patient, so that’s that’s where it came from. It was about raising information for a patient. so about certain procedures, like teeth whitening, or be a crown, or embisrlind, with sort of members of the profession and people that New and enjoyed speaking to, and then slowly I realized that my audience was mainly health care professionals and dentists, particularly young dentists, so sort of transformed into being profession facing Podcast. And you know some of the episodes that have done really really well where things like how to deal with failure and things

andy___chris:
M,

shaadi:
that people can relate to Because my audience is. It varies depending on the demographic, but a lot of them are young dentist. Dental students Now Feel a responsibility to tell them about the realities of you know dentistry, and some tips from people in the profession that could share with them. so I think it’s

andy___chris:
M,

shaadi:
It’s had a very positive feedback and I really really do enjoy making it. It’s a lot of work

andy___chris:
M,

shaadi:
because I do everything myself, but

andy___chris:
But yeah,

shaadi:
it is very enjoyable.

andy___chris:
yeah, yeah, we’ve got a very relaxing voice. Actually it is. isn’t Yeah, Maybe think vously that Gramnautum show Matthew Mcconnehe does sort of relaxation messages. I just bedtime story. next thing for you

shaadi:
Yeah, maybe because I don’t have too many. I have too much free time. I think right now

andy___chris:
Exactly exactly so you say so you so. in terms of all of your social media content you you create, edit and post everything yourself. You don’t out source any of that,

shaadi:
I tried outsourcing where I thought about outsourcing that. To be honest, from the, I thought about outsourcing it, but I am a bit of a control freak and I have a very specific way that I want things done, and for me to delegate is actually a lot more work than doing it myself, So I actually enjoy editing it, putting things together and taking them from idea to execution, So I enjoy it. I think there will come a point where I will have to delegate and I will, I promise, But it’s just for the Being, I still enjoy doing these things myself.

andy___chris:
And at the moment, in terms of your kind of working week, you spend about a day a week on your content. Is that? is that pretty much how you do it? I’m only askin I’m sure here’s a lot of people out there that have aspirations to raise their profile and create content, but I don’t think lots of people appreciate just the work, you know, you, some of the other the very high profile dentist put in to creating such good quality content.

shaadi:
It is a lot of work and honestly, I think it depends what standard you want to be done by. It’s easy to create content. It’s not easy to create good content in my opinion, and for me, it takes a lot to make sure there’s the content itself Isn’t actually that difficult. It’s making sure you have the time to planet carefully to have the right set up lighting Be if you need a mike for audio, make sure that you look presentable and you’re in the mood to create content. Because especially fits Speaking, kind of content. There are days when people ask me all the time like how do you do it? How do you talk for long? and some days I literally cannot. you know. So some days I’ll have to call it a day. It’s not like writing things. You know, I also enjoy writing things, and we now have a regular column for the facial ascetic side of things. Writing things is very different in that you don’t necessarily have to be in a mood to speak or to look at certain way to create.

andy___chris:
M.

shaadi:
You know visual content. You don’t have to have the right lighting. You don’t he Have hair and make up done. You don’t have to be wearing the right type of things, And I understand there’s writers block and things like that, but that’s something you can do in your own time. I can do it when I get home from work and honestly, the content side of things can be quite draining, and sometimes my clinical days, the days I get to relax and enjoy compared

andy___chris:
Uh,

shaadi:
to the content

andy___chris:
uh,

shaadi:
side of the. But it varies depending on the type of content that I’m doing.

andy___chris:
Yeah, that’s quite a good thing, actually, or bazrwayspeople get very stressed about dentustry way you can have. Sometimes your dentistry are relaxing is quite a nice healthy balance actually, and it’s nice to hear that the feedback has been mostly positive as well, because like I think, generally, social media gets a fairly bad wrap for lots of the negative stuff that goes on, and I genuinely believe that it’s mostly good. Whether it’s just my outlook By genuinely believe that most of it is good. There’s a few nasty P Out there, but on the whole your experience has been positive Using social media. In this way,

shaadi:
I think it depends on your perspective and what you’re trying to get out of your social media. It’s one thing being on social media for vanity metrics, like getting x number of followers or likes or people saying nice things about you, but it’s never going to be a hundred percent positive And I remember my brother had a serious chat with me before I started, because I’m by nature quite a sensitive person and I don’t take constructive criticism. Well, you know, I think I’m not alone in that, But he had a serious conversation with me and he was lie. When you put yourself out there, There’s going to be people who are going have opinions about you and not all of them are going to be positive. Are you okay with that? Because if you’re if you make it, If you don’t make it, that’s fine. but if you do make it, you’re going to have people saying sometimes nasty things about you, horrible things about

andy___chris:
M,

shaadi:
you, and you need to be able to deal with that, not take it personally. So initially you know, when I was doing tiktovideos, there would be with tiktokvideos. They can go crazy like there could be millions of views of one video that I didn’t particularly play, And a lot so you can get thousands of comments of people, saying whole range of things about you and what you think, And you know we talk about keyboard worriers about people, trolls

andy___chris:
M,

shaadi:
sitting behind the keers and saying all sorts of things, But I think with anyone who’s trying to create content and put themselves out there, you need to see what you’re trying to get out of it. What is your purpose with your content creation and

andy___chris:
M.

shaadi:
I have. I’m quite clear about my why on social media, So as long as Positive at war, the negatives for me, it’s worth doing, and the negative comments that might come from it are just part of the parcel, so you have to be able to deal with that, but there’s also all the wonderful things that come with it. Like anything in life. it’s not a hundred percent positive. but as long as the positives are more than the negatives for you personally, and what you’re trying to achieve, and your purpose than I think it’s worth doing.

andy___chris:
I think that’s good advice. You read the comments or do you just post content and move on to the next bit?

shaadi:
I do, usually try and read them and respond to them, but sometimes when there’s too many of them, I just physically don’t get to see them, especially on Tiktok, but I’ve you know, still, sometimes when you see a negative comment, it things that it stings a bit, but

andy___chris:
Yeah,

shaadi:
I, I’ve gotten much better at moving on from it and focusing on the positives,

andy___chris:
M.

shaadi:
because there’s usually about ninety nine percent positive feedback and about one percent negative If that,

andy___chris:
Yeah,

shaadi:
And I think that’s a pretty good balance when you put it in perspective.

andy___chris:
It is. it is. but human beings. What we being, what we are, We always picking out one percent, don’t we? and it kills us.

shaadi:
Yeah,

andy___chris:
You know if if you get a bit of criticism doesn’t matter how good everything has gone, that’s what we get. Some of those actors. They’ll never read the reviews of their own, whatever they’ve been in, Because they said you know some of crap and some good. Just don’t bother. That’s why I as interested to see whether you read views, Because I know the there’s some people who just post content and just never look at it again. Like, like the Act n’t make films

shaadi:
I do look at them. I do look at them, and I do get lots of messages from people and it’s usually all very positive,

andy___chris:
Good.

shaadi:
so I think it’s it’s. It’s the balance,

andy___chris:
Yes, all time consuming as well. When you think about it, messages that you have to respond to a. I’m always impressed. you know with the content that you put up another, because I kind of ain scroll down and the amount of interaction that goes on because it is, and I think when you’re doing it for a wider purpose, and I guess part of why you do your content is to educate people in dental procedure. What dent is doing. approachable Responding is quite important because that’s how you build that That kind of engagement level, understanding as a post, just posting once and moving on from their super quick type and something else. you’re involved in, your also, director of the London School of Facial Essetics, So tell us about that was that.

shaadi:
So that’s a very exciting new venture that myself and my good friend Dr. Christina have embarked on recently, and honestly, it’s so rewarding and it’s so much fun. We had a training weekend this weekend. It’s incredibly tiring. I cannot explain to you how tired I was by the end of it even one day, just because you’re on a buzz the entire day and I’ve never done any sort of teaching or training before, and the London School facial ascetics is basically our baby. At this stage we took it over From previous owners, and it’s been on going for more than ten years, so it’s not new by any means, but we have a lot of ideas of what we want to do with it, and we did do a lot from the yet go, but it’s just all of these ideas and we’re kind of getting ahead with ourselves and touch with the feedback and the welcome that we’ve had has been beyond anything we could have imagined. but we’re kind of in a situation where we’re like Okay. We can’t do everything ourselves. We need to recruit I, We need to be able to do this So early on, so it’s a lot. And especially with everything else that’s going on is not easy. but I think we’ve definitely had to work on our planning and seeing where we can fit everything in to be able to do things. and we do really need to start recruiting.

andy___chris:
And so the plan is to have a rolling program of education. Is that the way to it will work.

shaadi:
Yes, so we’re the directors and we’re doing the training ourselves, but the training is already getting quite advanced in that you know, the courses fully book this course last weekend, well sold out, and our next course is almost completely sold out. And there’s going to be times where obviously we’re going to have other commitments and we can’t run the courses. so we are in the process of recruiting trainers and we’ve been very kindly invited to go and lead the teaching in North of England For some other providers, so it’s going ahead a lot and we have people coming from the U. S. We have someone coming to someone coming from Australia for one to an training. So there’s a lot of exciting things happening that we didn’t even imagine would happen, but I think we have to sort of start planning contingency business continuity and a lot of grown up stuff that we know nothing about, But that’s what we need to start doing.

andy___chris:
It sounds very much like something that started as a good idea. that’s moving very quickly and getting big quite quickly on business. That’s That’s

shaadi:
Yeah,

andy___chris:
what. That’s what. But the thing is you’ve got to grab it white like that because you never know how things are going to turn or change, And now you say it’s just saying ahead of a curve to make sure that you kind of always able to deliver that hat next stage. But there’s a. There was a Formula One driver called Maria Andret years ago and he always said that if you’re feelin control of the car, You’re not driving fast enough and it feels that it almost kind of describes where you’re and it probably feels

shaadi:
That literally

andy___chris:
like you’re

shaadi:
sounds like my life right now.

andy___chris:
Crazy. Please Is going well pleased. It’s going well,

shaadi:
Thank you.

andy___chris:
are

shaadi:
If you

andy___chris:
you

shaadi:
know

andy___chris:
are

shaadi:
anyone

andy___chris:
you?

shaadi:
who’s looking for a job,

andy___chris:
Yeah, I was gonna say train might have been finished by the time it comes out exactly exactly. so taking everything into account you’ve got going on, Are you happy at the moment?

shaadi:
I am very happy. Yes, and I am the type of person that feeds off of ambition and goals. So I’m very happy and although I am stressed and there is a lot on my plate, honestly, every time an opportunity comes along where it’s something that’s positive that we hear about whether it’s with the London school facial ascetics, or any sort of other opportunity that comes along. It really makes me really really happy, and I can see I’m quite an impatient person by nature, so when I see The result of my hard work literally makes it all worth it, and it keeps me going, so yes, I am very happy

andy___chris:
Good, good I please. for I’m pleased to hear. Yeah, Well, that’s stressed. Yes,

shaadi:
I feel, but stressed.

andy___chris:
but it’s important, isn’t it? Because if I think not enough people stop to think about if they are happy and they just keep going through emotions, But I think if you find something that generally makes you happy, life just gets a little bit easier. So even though you’re tired because you’ve had a course and you know you’re doing a podcast of asking you some content to create. If you said, Enjoying all the thin double book, Just don’t mention that, But because of all the things you’ve got going, because you enjoy them and they’re fulfilling, it does bring

shaadi:
Yes,

andy___chris:
happiness with it, which is good. We always finish up in the same way we always ask our guests the same two questions. I’m ready ready.

shaadi:
Oh, gosh,

andy___chris:
I’m getting ready. I’m getting ready. So the first question that we have for you is if you could be a fly on the wall with somebody in a certain situation. When and where would that be?

shaadi:
So I actually don’t like to be a fly on the wall. I don’t think I would like to be a fly on the wall if I could request to be able to read people’s minds instead when they’re doing a certain thing in their life. Is that allowed?

andy___chris:
Yeah, I suppose I was gonna say, So you’re looking. You would.

shaadi:
Exactly?

andy___chris:
So you, you’d be a fly on the side of watching somebody’s thought process.

shaadi:
Yeah, I always think I always want to know what people are thinking and not necessarily about me or when I’m speaking to them. but I always want, because you know the stuff that goes through my mind. There’s a whole load of stuff that goes through my mind when I’m doing certain things. If I’m at work and I’m doing certain procedure. There’s a whole load of stuff that goes through my mind and I always think if someone was reading my mind right now, it would be very, very interesting for them and I just want the same thing to see what people think and also what they think when they say certain stuff. Because you know people say things and they Don’t actually mean what they’re saying. I would love

andy___chris:
M.

shaadi:
to know what they mean deep down when they say certain things, Because I’m quite a transparent person. I don’t really have a filter, but it

andy___chris:
M.

shaadi:
always fascinates me to see that when people say things they don’t mean. What do they actually mean instead? That’s quite fascinating for me

andy___chris:
Yeah, like that film. What was that film? There was a film. That was. It had Male Gibson in it. What women

shaadi:
What women

andy___chris:
want

shaadi:
want.

andy___chris:
what women want.

shaadi:
That was a good movie.

andy___chris:
I’m quite entertaining. Just tink a blow. So you ever seen it? So basically he gets electricuted and it gives him a ability to hear what all women are thinking. It’s brilliant because he does this like he thinks this is his great Lothario, whatever, And basically he’s walking past women. He’s going morning and going. You know,

shaadi:
Uh,

andy___chris:
he’s such

shaadi:
uh,

andy___chris:
an No. It’s a y. think it’s quite a good field. just quite entertaining. It’s very sweet feel actually, but it is is quite. I’ll get what you’re saying though, because he is, that disconnect isn’t there between how people behave from what they say, what the brain actually truly thinking and believing, but it is not translating through so of words or the actions.

shaadi:
Yeah, so I would love to know what people are truly thinking when they say certain things, and exactly like that movie. So fascinating because he, he thinks certain things, whereas in reality it’s completely different

andy___chris:
Yeah, that’s right. his take, as opposed to the reality. I’m sure gonna go and watch it now, and I was gonna say that must be all of us Was a new. There was a new one. Did you see? there was a new one out called What men want? I’ve never watched.

shaadi:
I

andy___chris:
It

shaadi:
haven’t.

andy___chris:
was done from. It was done from a female point of view. I never. I never bothered watching it, but you go home on women want is quite funny. Quite should

shaadi:
I’m going

andy___chris:
watch

shaadi:
to watch

andy___chris:
on

shaadi:
that

andy___chris:
my

shaadi:
second

andy___chris:
own

shaadi:
one. Now

andy___chris:
what men want. I

shaadi:
what

andy___chris:
think

shaadi:
men

andy___chris:
was going to

shaadi:
want?

andy___chris:
say, I’m not sure I should. I watch it with Carolyn ached my own. You can watch it, His family.

shaadi:
She’s probably watched

andy___chris:
Yeah,

shaadi:
it.

andy___chris:
she probably probably has. Yeah, that’s true. You’re in trouble, man, and our follow up question is if you could meet anybody who would you like to meet if you were given the opportunity?

shaadi:
So I, this one is quite an emotional one. I would love to meet my grandparents, so I never got the opportunity to meet my paternal grandparents. I did meet my maternal grandparents, but I lost them at a very early age, and we always speak about my maternal grand. My maternal grandma. in particular, She was ahead of her time by so much and everything that we do. We always speak about how it’s her legacy and it’s her line

andy___chris:
Uh,

shaadi:
of thinking and I think they Of you know my grandma, for example, did a lot of first aid and she gave my brother sort of her first laid bag. It was like the leather brief case, and she gave it

andy___chris:
Oh,

shaadi:
to him

andy___chris:
wow.

shaadi:
and that’s when he was inspired to become a doctor, so I think she would be really proud of what we’ve done and what we’ve achieved and everything that I

andy___chris:
M.

shaadi:
do. I think it would be really really nice to meet them and see that what they’ve created and their

andy___chris:
M.

shaadi:
legacy moving on in to day’s age, so I would love to meet them and be able to see what What they think of what we’ve done with the Gen

andy___chris:
Well,

shaadi:
pool.

andy___chris:
yeah, I’m sure they’d be very proud of the. I’m sure

shaadi:
I

andy___chris:
they’d

shaadi:
hope

andy___chris:
be very

shaadi:
so.

andy___chris:
proud

shaadi:
I hope

andy___chris:
Shady.

shaadi:
they will

andy___chris:
it’s

shaadi:
be.

andy___chris:
been. it’s been wonderful. It’s been a lovely chat. You always so much good fun and like so you, you are so positive and bright and I think that’s even more powerful. Given some of the early challenges you How you came into industry as well. You know everybody sees you now and thinks that Well, she’s had it easy. Everything just fell into place and clearly I didn’t And you’ve had to work on it and you’ve built your resilient, and those things have gone into the melting part Made you the woman you are. You are today.

shaadi:
Yeah, thank you guys so much for having me. It’s been nice being a guest for a change, and

andy___chris:
There

shaadi:
that

andy___chris:
you.

shaadi:
got a bit more emotional than I anticipated. But thank you so much for having me.

andy___chris:
How skill you see. We get to people to relax and tell us all about them. The idea is we try and almost give you an hour off. That’s the thing. It should be like you can just talk, sopping our coffee, So that’s right.

shaadi:
Thank you so much for having me.

andy___chris:
not at all. Could you also just drop as a link to your London school of facial assettics, as well, Because we’ll drop that into the guest notes, and if anybody was interesting in booking on the course off, Get more about it. they can hop on there and have a look,

shaadi:
Yeah, of

andy___chris:
so

shaadi:
course,

andy___chris:
we’ll put

shaadi:
thank

andy___chris:
those

shaadi:
you so

andy___chris:
in

shaadi:
much.

andy___chris:
for you, which hold be good. But

shaadi:
Yeah,

andy___chris:
yeah, it’s been wonderful. We’ll let you

shaadi:
thank

andy___chris:
go

shaadi:
you

andy___chris:
because

shaadi:
so much.

andy___chris:
I’m sure you’ve got what I know. You’ve got other things you should be doing, but ou’egoyoun got podcasttnow.

shaadi:
Honestly, I’ve never done that before. I’m so embarrassed, but I’m glad I did this word because I think don’t don’t tell Justin, but this one is more fun.

andy___chris:
We

shaadi:
We

andy___chris:
won’t,

shaadi:
don’t tell.

andy___chris:
we won’t. we’ll edit that. Excellent. I look forward to seeing you soon

shaadi:
Thank you so much, guys, take care.

andy___chris:
etchers.

shaadi:
bye.