Transcript – Dentology Podcast with Yewande Oduwole
Episode Release Date – Monday 17 February 2025
Chris (00:00.91)
It’s Monday morning, it’s seven o’clock. It’s the Dentology podcast. The Dentology podcast with us, ready in our gym jams and a cup of tea. I tell what, we do enjoy this though, don’t we? I think it’s such good fun. It’s so entertaining. And today, today we have esteemed dentist Dr. Yuande Oduwale joining us. Esteemed, I like that. I like the word esteemed. think if anybody ever called me esteemed, I’d be quite pleased with myself. Underused word, I reckon. Good, hello Yuande, how are you?
Yewande Oduwole (00:30.267)
Hello, thank you very much for that introduction, esteemed. I don’t know if I’d use that, but thank you.
Chris (00:35.118)
Yeah, flip me. Yeah, yeah, I quite like the word esteemed and you are and you are have you been keeping well?
Yewande Oduwole (00:42.326)
I have been. It’s, you know, start of a new year. I’m feeling pumped for 2025.
Chris (00:47.984)
Who are? Look at that. I must say, I’m looking forward to having this, because this is like a longer form conversation. One of the great things about a podcast is you get to have a longer chat, which is nice. We always seem to grab chats where we might be perhaps lecturing at different events or we might be a social event, but it was like five minute chats here and there as lovely as they are. But being able to chat now for like, know, 40, 45 minutes to find out more about you, which will be great. And
Yewande Oduwole (00:57.6)
Mm.
Yewande Oduwole (01:13.119)
Yeah.
Chris (01:15.023)
the listeners, you’ve got a great story. I you’re still young and you’re still ready to have the early on in your career, but you’ve got, but then you contribute so much to the profession, but also you’re already helping so many students and younger dentists. I’m interested to explore more about that. Hence she’s esteemed. Exactly. Yes. So it’s a, it’s a well justified word. You’re, whenever I meet you, you’re always so positive, like ultra positive about everything.
Where does that come from? Was that instilled in you as a child? Are you parents of that mind? Where did that come from?
Yewande Oduwole (01:50.567)
Good question. Do you know what, ever since even in primary school, I’d get feedback from my teachers. My mum would say that they’d say, you and it is super bubbly. And I feel it just came from actually my mum. She’s the kind of person if you were to ever meet my mum, she’s very bubbly. She’s so friendly, so happy. And I always, when I’d grow up, I’d watch her talk to anyone. I feel like when you’re around someone like that, you can’t help but be positive yourself and
Chris (02:03.213)
Right. Right.
Chris (02:14.255)
Mm.
Yewande Oduwole (02:20.063)
She didn’t grow up in the best circumstances, you know, the whole coming from Nigeria to here, but she still remained positive. I didn’t know how much struggle my parents actually had to go through until I was a bit older. But the fact that I grew up and everything still seemed super happy, super positive, I think that’s what made such a good impact on me and how I carry those sort of, happiness.
Chris (02:20.067)
Yeah.
Chris (02:27.329)
Mm. Right.
Chris (02:33.475)
Hmm.
Chris (02:44.463)
but that’s powerful parenting as well, isn’t it? That parents are quite often going through their own struggles, yet they don’t pass it down to their kids. They want their kids just to enjoy their childhood. When did your parents came over together from Nigeria to the UK?
Yewande Oduwole (02:49.535)
Yeah.
Yewande Oduwole (02:58.1)
So yeah, initially they came over together, the whole searching for a better life.
Chris (03:02.639)
When was that?
Yewande Oduwole (03:06.506)
Oh, I was, so 1996, that’s when I was born. So probably two years after that. Yeah, so 1998 sort of thing. I was around two, three. So was quite young, like three. I didn’t really know much. I was born in Nigeria. So then they took me with them.
Chris (03:13.86)
Bye.
Chris (03:17.646)
Right.
Right. Yeah. And you probably don’t have many memories of Nigeria then at two or three D or did you have something?
Yewande Oduwole (03:28.745)
A little bit. don’t remember. I think it’s from pictures. I’d see pictures and I’d go back. So I’d go back, you know, when I was younger. I…
Chris (03:30.897)
right.
Chris (03:38.159)
And where did they arrive to? Where did you live? That’s where I’m coming from.
Yewande Oduwole (03:42.601)
Southeast London. So I’ve always lived in Southeast London, but it wasn’t very straightforward. My mom had to go to like, you know, different housing and trying to, you know, manage different jobs. She worked as a carer, you know, childcare. She’d have to sometimes take me to work with her. lots, lots of things happening. You know, my unfortunate, my mom and dad didn’t stay together. So she ended up having to do a lot of things on her own.
Chris (03:56.431)
Mm.
Chris (04:02.607)
That worked.
Chris (04:07.512)
Right.
Yewande Oduwole (04:11.142)
I have two younger brothers, so I was the eldest. And having my two younger brothers as well along the journey, sometimes I’d have to look after them as I got older whilst my mum would be out. So it was a lot, but I really respected the hard work. I think seeing how much she put on the line to kind of give us a good start in life, it pushes me to kind of do the same.
Chris (04:21.922)
Right,
Chris (04:34.756)
Mm.
Chris (04:38.095)
And how old your brothers are they much younger than you?
Yewande Oduwole (04:41.921)
So we’re both kind of three years apart, each of us.
Chris (04:45.359)
Right. right. Okay. Any of them wanting to do dentistry?
Yewande Oduwole (04:47.143)
Yes. No, I am the only dentist in the family, really. was quite because you wouldn’t really. My mum had she does does a hairdressing. She did hairdressing. She did care. My dad worked in security, so nothing really professional. I kind of be an Obelie.
Chris (05:07.129)
What?
So what was the thing that turned your head to dentistry then? Because quite often when we talk to people, there might be a family member, an uncle and aunt, or somebody that’s kind of just nudged them and gone, have you thought about dentistry? So where did your interest come from?
Yewande Oduwole (05:26.151)
I have always just been a person where I kind of went with the flow in school, but I’m very academic. I was really good at science, chemistry, biology, that kind of stuff.
Chris (05:36.589)
Yeah, we called those kids a swats. That’s what we called them. We called them a swats. Or nerds. Yeah.
Yewande Oduwole (05:41.878)
Little nerds, a little nerds, yeah. Kind of just kept my head down. I think I was because, you know, in Nigerian culture, it’s instilled in you, you need to get good grades, work hard in school so you can get a good job. So I was like, you know, I want to make my parents part. Let me just work hard in school. I didn’t actually know what I wanted to do per se with my life. I just knew I needed to get good grades. But
Chris (05:52.159)
Mm. Yeah, yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Chris (06:04.993)
Mm-hmm.
Yewande Oduwole (06:08.038)
As the time slowly started to tick, when you get to like 16, 18, the pressure’s on to decide what you want to do with your life. And I literally, yeah, it is.
Chris (06:13.869)
Yeah. And that’s early, isn’t it? That’s that’s like when people are in their kind of mid late teens having to make what will become kind of life defining decisions. They’re massive. They’re massive.
Yewande Oduwole (06:27.471)
huge. I felt the weight on my shoulders. what am I going to do? So I literally went on good old Google. And I just searched, okay, I enjoy chemistry and biology. I like working with people. What can I do? And it came up first with medicine. And I just thought being a doctor, it’s all well and good, but I’m quite an emotional person. And I just feel that environment of
Chris (06:31.865)
Yeah, yeah.
Chris (06:43.407)
Mm.
Chris (06:53.423)
Mm.
Yewande Oduwole (06:55.854)
people may pass away and it just seemed very quite, I don’t know, doom and gloom. I know there’s other parts to medicine, I just, I didn’t like the thought of being in that hospital environment.
Chris (06:56.664)
Hmm… Yeah, yeah.
Chris (07:04.635)
Yeah.
Chris (07:08.355)
Hmm. But you tend to go to hospital or see a doctor when you’re not well. Don’t you? That’s, that’s kind of, don’t, you don’t go and see this person and feel really well today. Could you just check me out? Just make sure that I’m as well as I feel. Cause that tends to not happen. Whereas in dentistry, there’s kind of a continuing all healthcare element.
Yewande Oduwole (07:14.572)
exactly.
Chris (07:28.109)
and there’s a very strong ascetic element that then feeds into a greater wellbeing, improved personal view of yourself and all that. So there is a much more positive side to dentistry that I could see that you might not get from medicine. Yeah.
Yewande Oduwole (07:30.446)
Yeah.
Yewande Oduwole (07:41.169)
Exactly, you hit the nail on the head. So when I saw dentistry as well, I was like, okay, this seems quite viable. It’s not all doom and gloom. You people, you actually want to come to you. Well, not everyone wants to come and see us. The first thing people say is I hate the dentist when they walk in. But I quite like that aspect because I wanted to be a dentist that people actually want to come and see. And I was like, this could be quite good.
Chris (07:57.52)
Yeah.
Chris (08:04.011)
Yeah.
Yewande Oduwole (08:05.187)
So once I researched it and I was like, you know what, I can see myself doing this. And funnily enough, I saw an advert, a censored advert of Dr. Ucheda Okoye, she was on it. Because when I came across dentistry, I didn’t really see many people that looked at me and that was whole thing. was like, can I actually do this job? And I didn’t have any sort of connections or anything like that. But when I saw her, was… Yeah.
Chris (08:16.719)
yeah, best is so.
Chris (08:24.879)
Mmm.
Yeah. Well we all need role models of some sort, don’t we? Yeah.
Yewande Oduwole (08:34.398)
Exactly. So when I saw her, was like, okay, this seems something I could do. And I saw her when I years younger, this seems like a career that I can do. I quickly decided dentistry was the one for me. from then I was like, you know what, I’m going to go in all guns blazing and focus on getting in. That’s the whole story for itself as well.
Chris (08:41.272)
Yeah.
Chris (08:51.568)
Did you ever get to tell you Chenna about that?
Yewande Oduwole (08:58.827)
So we spoke on Instagram message. We had always planned to meet each other. So I never got to meet her in person, sadly. But I made sure to tell her via social media. And that’s the great thing about social media. You can connect with people.
Chris (09:08.035)
Yeah. Yeah, Mm.
Chris (09:14.179)
Hmm. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
I mean for the people that are listening that don’t know you Chenna Akoya sadly passed away a couple of years ago a very young age And she was a she was a big noise in dentistry. She needed like wasn’t she? and a lovely she was nice. Yeah, she was she was yeah Yeah, so now but it’s lovely to hear that that she had an impact on you as well Because we never know we never know the impact we have on people yet you saw an advert with her and I’ll see there was a Resonance with with her background and your background and that kind of perhaps gave you that little extra bit of comfort
Yewande Oduwole (09:23.646)
Mm.
Yewande Oduwole (09:29.536)
Yeah.
Yewande Oduwole (09:36.896)
100%.
Yewande Oduwole (09:46.185)
Yeah.
Chris (09:49.057)
and lift to do what you’re to do but it wasn’t straightforward when you applied for dentistry was it for you?
Yewande Oduwole (09:56.64)
Absolutely not. It was, it was, when I, I think back to this whole process, cause it was just one of those moments you have in life where it’s like everything seems to go wrong. I don’t know if anyone’s listening or you guys, you can think to a moment where it’s like, why is this not working? Especially when you’re so excited about something. So I had geared myself up. This is what I want to do. And I applied my
Chris (10:10.094)
Ha.
yeah. Yeah.
Yewande Oduwole (10:25.247)
The first time I applied was in 2013. Got a few interviews actually. So it seemed to all be going well. Got an offer and all I needed to do was get the grades. Seems simple enough. I had really done many past papers, studied everything and I was like, you know what, I’ve got this in the bag. I’m gonna get in.
Chris (10:34.113)
Yeah
Chris (10:52.708)
Yeah.
Yewande Oduwole (10:54.695)
At the time it was Manchester and Liverpool that gave me the offers. And it seemed like it was aligning because I really wanted to be in a big city coming from London. I didn’t want to deviate. So I was like, this seems to be going well. And then the exam time came. And as you do go into the exam hall, the paper. I had finished doing that paper and the invigilator walked around and was like, okay.
collecting all the papers and she took the paper out and there was a poll question I hadn’t seen. It was like a 22 mark question. And she was literally like, you didn’t want to answer that? And I was like, no, can I have the paper back? I can answer the question. She’s like, time’s up. And I was literally, I think the whole exam hall heard me. I just literally burst into tears. It was…
Chris (11:30.925)
No. No.
Chris (11:44.43)
Oof.
Chris (11:50.785)
No, wow. It’s a stressful, it’s a stressful environment anyway, isn’t it? Yeah. Yeah.
Yewande Oduwole (11:55.953)
Yeah, to think when you’ve you’ve practiced something so many times, but when it gets to the actual thing, I was like, how could I have made such a sin?
Chris (12:04.717)
So you tell them you feel a bit stupid. Don’t you? Yeah, she thinks of how did I miss a whole question? But also you’re really you’re really diligent student It’s not like you were somebody who had to kind of like yeah one like you were really struggling with the content You were really diligent bright students. So you just literally missed missed the question You didn’t do that thing. You weren’t sitting there where you thinking I finished now I’ve got half an hour. You sat there for half an hour. Yeah, it’s great. I’m very mellow and they think I’ll bugger
Yewande Oduwole (12:23.325)
Probably wasn’t quite half an hour. I think I finished it thinking yeah.
Chris (12:34.563)
What did the… That was easy. What did the aftermath of this look like for you? Because we started by saying you’re ultra positive, you’re always smiling, you have this outlook. Were you able to bounce back from that pretty quickly and go, okay, stuff happens, right, let’s crack on? Or was it quite dark?
Yewande Oduwole (12:45.443)
And
Yewande Oduwole (12:55.935)
it was very dark. I went into a deep hole and I felt like that moment really humbled me because I think I was, in that time, I was very sort of sure of everything and like, I’m gonna do this and not bragging, like almost like I’m, yeah, exactly, nothing.
Chris (13:01.711)
Mm.
Chris (13:06.543)
Mmm.
Chris (13:12.047)
Mm.
But you were grade A student where you’re sort of like, whatever I touch, I can do this, it’s great. Therefore, I’ve got this supreme confidence that it’s going to be great. And then suddenly it’s like, boof.
Yewande Oduwole (13:25.761)
Exactly, and I think everyone needs a moment in life where you are humbled and you realise that, okay, it’s not always going to go the way I planned. Because I feel like that moment, I’m happy actually I had that early on in my life because it taught me resilience and not giving up because in that period I was very close to just saying, this didn’t go my way. Let’s look for something else.
Chris (13:40.031)
Mm. Mm.
Yeah.
Chris (13:51.779)
Mmm. Yeah.
Yewande Oduwole (13:53.837)
I was this close to going to study biomed in Warwick because that was my insurance, because you always have to have an insurance when you apply. So they had given me an offer and I was like, they’ve given me an offer to study biomed. Because basically what happened, obviously the results came back. I didn’t get the grade, didn’t get in. So the only thing I had to do now was retake.
Chris (13:58.329)
I will.
But yeah.
Yewande Oduwole (14:20.994)
And I was deciding whether retaking and going to the year below to retake the subject and do the paper again or staying with my cohort and just doing something else completely. So it was really hard. Like that decision, I had to sit on it and obviously spoke to my friends, family, and I’m a Christian, so I prayed a lot about it as well and had to just find that.
Chris (14:33.112)
Yeah.
Yewande Oduwole (14:51.961)
piece of what I wanted to do and I think all Rose would just say no what Ywande you really want to do dentistry try again try again at the time it just seemed like I had to it felt really like swallowing so much pride I had to literally go down to the year below and do the whole year with them for that subject because
Chris (14:58.192)
Mm-hmm.
Chris (15:09.489)
yeah.
Chris (15:15.011)
But having the maturity to do that, because it would have been very easy. Yeah, there’s a lot of peer pressure and stuff, isn’t there, with that age. It would have very easy just to tag along with your mates in the same cohort, do bio med and…
Never know what that option was but to have the maturity to see like no I can do this and also Here in the story wasn’t that you didn’t have the the aptitude and the capability You literally didn’t turn over a bit of paper. have been so frustrated Yeah, as I think that’s the great one is the fact of it. It wasn’t that you didn’t necessarily Know it you just had missed a question. Yeah
Yewande Oduwole (15:39.992)
you.
Yewande Oduwole (15:51.679)
Literally.
Chris (15:52.728)
And it’s like, man, I’ve got to do a whole new year again. So I imagine the way this chapter of your life ends is you redid the year, you passed with flying colors and you got your first choice. No.
Yewande Oduwole (16:02.313)
No. I redid the year. I almost got no offers the second time round. No, I got no interviews except from Plymouth. Plymouth was my only one. And they were the only dental school that let me in. And that was the opposite of what I wanted. It wasn’t in a city, big city. It was literally six hours away from London in the middle of, well, now I know Plymouth more. At the time I felt this was the middle of nowhere.
Chris (16:15.916)
What?
Chris (16:24.153)
Yep.
Chris (16:32.086)
So you would have been one of the quite early cohorts at Peninsula back then. Yeah, at Peninsula. they hadn’t long since opened when you joined. You would have been quite one of the first students to go through, you?
Yewande Oduwole (16:36.256)
Peninsula, yes, yes.
Yewande Oduwole (16:43.624)
Yeah, so they used to be mainly post-grad and I I was maybe the third or fourth year of them. So it was early days, but at the time it wasn’t, you know, you have the main dental schools. It was quite a new one. So at that point, anything goes. I was just like, great, happy. Give me a place.
Chris (16:46.21)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Right.
Chris (17:01.549)
Yeah, yeah, give me a place. Yeah, but but but but the funny thing is now it’s getting very reviews. It’s well ranked. Yeah, are people talk about in such a positive light is very in a different episode. We were talking to Kat Edney, the dental therapist, and she was talking about how positive Peninsula is in developing their therapist program. So it’s a it’s a very front foot leading edge dental school. So whilst
Yewande Oduwole (17:11.241)
Wow.
yes.
Yewande Oduwole (17:22.099)
Yes.
Chris (17:26.561)
It was quite early on for you, think. It’s moving on quite nicely. We used to know the lady, can’t remember.
Yewande Oduwole (17:27.708)
Yet.
Yewande Oduwole (17:32.927)
Liz K?
Chris (17:34.359)
Yes, yeah, yeah, I think it was, yeah. Yeah, I think, yeah, I remember her, yeah. She was a bit, she was lovely, actually. She was really nice. So what was your experience like there as a student? Seaside. Yes.
Yewande Oduwole (17:36.415)
Professor Liz Kay, she’s very well known.
Yeah, it’s a great, great dance school. Great dance.
Yewande Oduwole (17:49.333)
seaside that’s it I quickly went from disliking being six hours away from London to absolutely loving it it’s wicked
Chris (17:57.506)
Yeah. really? It’s a bit of a difference, I suppose, isn’t it? Townie to Plymouth, I’ll you.
Yewande Oduwole (18:02.965)
big difference. It’s not every day you walk out of your dental school and you have the big seafront. It was lovely. think when I think back to my five years at Peninsula, it was it was great. And I’m so happy to sailing. Not quite. I almost did surfing. Yeah, surfing was there. We used to go to Truro. I don’t know if you’ve been to the southwest any of you.
Chris (18:08.878)
Hmm
Chris (18:13.337)
Mm.
Chris (18:17.913)
Did you get into sailing?
Chris (18:23.855)
Well.
Chris (18:28.943)
okay, yeah.
Yeah, it’s lovely down there. Yeah, I like Cornwall Yeah new key and round there and some of those small little kind of you know, like pole power to sell a practice in Cornwall It is it is people enjoy holidaying there, but not not buying and owning practices down there Yeah, Plymouth was better Devon was better when when peninsula built it helped because people obviously did their degree there and then stayed before that it was really hard to sell a practice and Devon and Cornwall it’s quite interesting
Yewande Oduwole (18:35.079)
Yeah.
Yewande Oduwole (18:41.959)
is it?
Yewande Oduwole (18:46.398)
But I-
Yewande Oduwole (18:55.283)
Wow. do hear they do need a lot of dentists down in Devon because of the, I think it’s quite, obviously you guys will know a lot about this, but the scope that there’s not many dentists down in the Southwest.
Chris (19:11.073)
No, no, no and then while you were studying you won a scholarship and you did a project in gaurna. Is that right?
Yewande Oduwole (19:19.547)
Yes, yes I did. So during my time in dental school I was very active in finding different opportunities to any students that might be listening to this. I feel it’s so important to look at what’s available for students. There are so many organisations and associations that provide scholarships or know essay prizes, awards whilst you’re a student and you can only do it as a student.
Chris (19:35.567)
Hmm.
Chris (19:48.111)
Hmm.
Yewande Oduwole (19:48.444)
So I came across the Afro Caribbean Dental Association.
Chris (19:52.168)
I had no idea that association existed until I was reading up for our conversation today. I wasn’t aware that we had that as an association in the UK. Yeah, yeah.
Yewande Oduwole (19:58.33)
No way.
Yes, we do. We do. There are many different ones emerging. So, yeah, so at the time I came across them and they were giving out a scholarship for students. You had to write an essay on something and I put myself forward and how you’d use the money and I wanted to do volunteering. That was one of my aims and they sponsored me to do it and it was great. I absolutely loved going to Ghana, went to the orphanages.
did a lot of overall health talks there and it’s something I’d want to do again.
Chris (20:36.023)
I say, have you continued it with, you know, people like Dentaid or Mobile Smiles or whatever?
Yewande Oduwole (20:41.521)
Not yet, but it’s something that I definitely want to do. know Dente, they do a lot of that. But yeah, it was good. It was good. I think it was just a great opportunity whilst I was studying because whilst you’re studying, you’re trying to hone in your skills as well. going back there to do freedendistry, there were so many people that needed things like extractions and just getting that hands-on experience as well was really good too.
Chris (20:44.143)
Hmm.
Mm.
Chris (20:53.615)
Mm-hmm.
Chris (21:10.851)
That’s great actually, because when you think about a lot of the guys that we speak to who’ve been through dental school recently, and there hasn’t been a huge amount of practical application, you know, as I know, we some of some of the guys that we deal with, they sort of say, you know, they’ll get a dentist who’s come out and do an FD year, and they’ve never done an extraction on a molar or something. You know, you know, it’s fascinating, I just think about what you’re saying is to be able to do that as a real hands on experiences is
Yewande Oduwole (21:21.744)
Mm.
Yewande Oduwole (21:33.129)
yeah.
Yeah.
Chris (21:41.146)
brilliant for you as your education.
Yewande Oduwole (21:43.566)
Yeah, so it works both ways because the people there, absolutely, they love it, they’re grateful. And then you’re also enhancing your skills as a student because I suck at extractions. So when I went there and I was like practicing, it really helped me with the different techniques and the dentists in Ghana are amazing as well. So I really had so much respect because there was one dentist that was managing so many people and I was just like, wow, how you were doing this and yeah.
Chris (21:51.695)
Yeah.
Chris (22:06.607)
Mm.
Chris (22:11.279)
In a previous episode, I spoke to a guy called James Hunter, who’s an English dentist, and he’s taken himself and his family out to Liberia, and they’re going out to the west coast of Africa later on this year. And he was saying that there’s four dentists in Liberia.
Yewande Oduwole (22:22.46)
wow.
Yewande Oduwole (22:30.339)
The whole of Liberia.
Chris (22:31.76)
Yeah, there’s four dentists and he’s 800 000 patients Yeah, yeah, he’s he’s gonna be one of them and he was saying that part of his job will be to go around and and train people in local communities um, just I guess do very primitive basic oral health care, but imagine that having four qualified dentists in a country Absolutely crazy It’s mad. It’s a small conference. Yes Yeah, small association
Yewande Oduwole (22:48.782)
Wow.
That’s crazy.
Yewande Oduwole (22:57.915)
no, it’s crazy.
Chris (23:00.368)
I’m interested in your interest in students because you’re four years qualified, is that right? Four years out. you’re kind of moving away from your kind of dental school experience.
Yewande Oduwole (23:10.572)
Yes, yes.
Chris (23:18.659)
you speak so much and you invest so much in trying to help students. So we both worked with Joe Lovett on the Fast Track Your Future event, which was great fun. And that was aimed at younger dentists and students. Where does that come from? What’s your interest in trying to impart so much knowledge to younger people? Are you kind of fitting something that you didn’t have when you were younger? I’m interested in why you’re so keen.
Yewande Oduwole (23:25.001)
yes.
Yewande Oduwole (23:43.029)
It all stems from my journey really where obviously I didn’t have a lot of dentists in my family so there was no one for me to reach out to. Not getting in the first time because I know a lot of people may go through that situation and feel like giving up and just generally being kind of like that older sister to people that all like you know that don’t have that in their families and that’s why I just hopped on YouTube.
Chris (23:51.983)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah
Chris (24:07.991)
Hmm.
Yewande Oduwole (24:12.404)
At the time I didn’t know what I was doing. I look at my first YouTube video, it was very grainy, very just like, just literally opened my laptop and just started talking to people.
Chris (24:12.719)
Mmm
Chris (24:24.397)
But I think the difference, you’re there, you Andy, is you open your laptop and you started talking. I think a lot of people get in their own way and they’re worried that their first video is going to be crap. No one’s going to watch it. I haven’t got time to edit it. Whereas you just did what most people don’t do, which is you just started talking, which is great.
Yewande Oduwole (24:30.28)
Over.
Yewande Oduwole (24:40.093)
Literally, I didn’t know where it was going to go, what it was going to do, but I just thought there might be someone out there that needs to hear this. And I’m so glad I did, because off the back of that, a lot of students started to get in contact with me and I’d do interview preparation with them, check their personal statements. I still do that up until this day. I do interview practice coaching because I’m just really passionate about allowing people to see their full potential and not give up on themselves.
Chris (24:56.846)
Well.
Chris (25:09.327)
That’s lovely.
Yewande Oduwole (25:10.089)
with dentistry because it’s such a hard profession, know, and I think to get in there’s a lot of hoops to go through. And if you’re someone that you might not have someone to hold your hand through it, you may. Very daunting.
Chris (25:17.614)
Yes.
Chris (25:22.989)
Hmm. It’s a bit daunting. Is part of your interview preparation turn over the bit of paper?
Yewande Oduwole (25:30.155)
Rule number one. Read the instructions. Literally.
Chris (25:32.783)
Read the instructions. So if we roll back to, so if you’re four years qualified, that means that the end of your training would have bumped into COVID. Would that be right? So what period does that like for you?
Yewande Oduwole (25:48.159)
Yes.
Yewande Oduwole (25:52.324)
so going through dental school and having to, it was such a whirlwind because it was COVID-19, yes, we were meant to qualify that year. And literally one day they just said, this is going to be your final lecture because of COVID and see you later. You have to do your final exams on Zoom. And yeah, it was very abrupt. The way dental school came to a halt.
Chris (26:08.079)
you
Chris (26:18.606)
Yeah.
Yewande Oduwole (26:21.022)
We didn’t get our graduation that year, had to be the following year. I didn’t really get to say proper goodbyes.
Chris (26:28.78)
Mm-hmm.
Yewande Oduwole (26:30.885)
And it was just all, it was very crazy. We had to mask everywhere and going into foundation year with the FFP free, know, follow times, fit testing.
Chris (26:41.017)
Yeah. Fallow time. were donning and doffing rooms.
Yewande Oduwole (26:48.289)
gosh, those words now, even saying those words, like… It seems like a…
Chris (26:51.919)
Fallow time, yeah, you forget fallow time, don’t you?
Yewande Oduwole (26:57.596)
Yeah, we had to wait before we could do anything. So you left.
Chris (27:00.046)
Yeah, yeah, because obviously because kovid knew to leave the room didn’t it if we waited five minutes kovid would leave the room and then it’d be safe. Yeah, I always remember that that was that
that professor or something said that we obviously have the slowest particles in Europe because everyone else is like doing it in 10 minutes. We’re waking an hour in between. Where in the madness really? It’s bonkers when you look back at it, isn’t it? You go, God. But at the time, suppose nobody knew, did they? So was your foundation year, was that quite disrupted? Did you not get as much hands-on experience as you would have liked to have?
Yewande Oduwole (27:14.007)
Hahaha!
Yewande Oduwole (27:20.348)
Literally.
Yewande Oduwole (27:25.329)
And yeah, and as.
Yewande Oduwole (27:34.627)
No, so going from qualifying in dance school where you’re eager to get going, get stuck in, to Covid where before you do anything you have to wait and it was very, very slow. I didn’t start to pick up towards the end but it was tough because I really just wanted to get stuck in but we had to wait and even during FD year you have study days
Chris (27:38.954)
Mmm, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Chris (27:50.968)
Yeah.
Yewande Oduwole (27:59.398)
So we didn’t get as many study days as normal because you couldn’t meet up in person as much. So a lot of things were over Zoom. And even I remember when dental events started coming back, it was all like, wow, I can see you in real life. Because we’d just seen, been seeing everyone on Zoom. And to add to that during that time is when the whole, you know, Black Lives Matter thing happened, know, George Floyd, so much was happening in that.
Chris (27:59.408)
Mm.
Chris (28:05.784)
Hmm
Chris (28:14.753)
Yeah.
Chris (28:19.983)
Yeah.
Chris (28:25.795)
Yeah. Yeah.
Yewande Oduwole (28:29.798)
time I just remember the whole world seemed to just come to a halt.
Chris (28:30.959)
Mm.
Chris (28:35.78)
Yeah, yeah bonkersness it was In a really weird way I’m glad that we all got to live through it in a weird way because it was such an extraordinary Situation now we have all got through it I know some people died and there was kind of trauma on the way But for the most part people got through it, but we’ve all we’ve all been
Yewande Oduwole (28:52.015)
Yeah.
Chris (28:56.752)
Changed as a result of it and how quickly forgotten I think that’s yeah when you look at it was it Yeah, four years. I Yeah, there’s a 23rd of March when we we all had to go because really when you think about it like what that’s it Yeah, yeah, but they’re still they’re still kind of lasting legacies aren’t there? They’re still I think it has affected some people I think
Yewande Oduwole (29:04.592)
Four years ago.
Yewande Oduwole (29:16.408)
Yeah.
Chris (29:19.523)
people just have changed their, adjusted their behavior slightly. yeah. Some companies need to change their websites. They’ve still got their coronavirus thing on it. Yeah, there might be some, it’s like, hello. I’ll beat you, you might need to revisit your website, Mr. Person. So what does your work week look like now? What’s your work pattern? Are you working in a number of places as an associate or just one place? And you’ve also got your social media side. What’s the typical week for you like?
Yewande Oduwole (29:46.531)
So I work at one main practice and the practice is actually quite interesting. We work in shifts. So my week is a bit crazy. Monday I work from 2 till 8. Tuesday I work from 7.30 in the morning till 8. Yep. I wish.
Chris (30:06.217)
long day. half an hour? I work really quickly. That’s a very long flip. Wow, that’s a lot.
Yewande Oduwole (30:12.804)
12 hour day. And then that brings us to today, Wednesday, where I’m basically shattered. just recovering. It’s a day off, but it’s not really a day off because there’s always kind of like admin things to do, planning cases. That’s where I try and do some social media things. And then Thursday, 7.30 till 1.30. So it gets better as the week goes on. And then Friday.
Chris (30:18.735)
You’re recovering.
Chris (30:32.108)
Yep.
Yewande Oduwole (30:41.336)
is a normal nine to five. So it’s very like, very day.
Chris (30:46.224)
I think what’s interesting about that is I live in in Chingford, North East London, and we had a practice open fairly recently. And I think from recollection, their hours are something like 8 till 8, Monday to Friday, 12 till 9, Saturday and Sunday.
Yewande Oduwole (30:52.577)
Yeah.
Yewande Oduwole (30:59.554)
Mm-hmm.
Chris (31:03.031)
And when it first happened, everyone says, it’s ridiculous, you know, that goes out. But actually, so long as people are prepared to work on a shift pattern, as you just described, and because of your lifestyle, might suit you really well to do.
a few longer days but have a day off in the week or because of I don’t know depending on what your partner does you might need to dovetail for child care or whatever it might be so giving people the flexibility to work early or work late seems to work quite well and this practice has nailed it and I think that’s just modern dentistry I think modern dentistry. And patients expect to be able to come when they want to come. Yeah I think nine to five in an hour for lunch is a very old school way of working and it seems to work for you as well at the moment you know in the future
Yewande Oduwole (31:16.482)
Yeah.
Yewande Oduwole (31:28.258)
Yes.
Chris (31:45.591)
your lifestyle might change and it might not suit you but at the moment it works really well.
Yewande Oduwole (31:47.18)
Yeah. Definitely. And I have huge respect to my principal, Rajiv. They’ve set up a really good business. They’ve got two practices that are literally 10 minute walking distance from each other. And I think one has eight surgeries, one has seven surgeries. So it’s a very big practice. And there’s a lot of us. we’re able to, the surgery is always working basically, because there’s someone working in the morning, someone working in the evening.
Chris (31:59.311)
Bye.
Chris (32:05.007)
Hmm
Chris (32:11.244)
Mmm. Mmm.
Chris (32:15.193)
Great. Switch the assets, as we would say. Yes.
Yewande Oduwole (32:15.323)
and you I feel like
But there’s a way to go about it and I think from a business standpoint it probably works well. But you’re right, it’s going to get to a point in my life where I want family to order and stuff and I don’t think people, my kids are very impressed if I’m working all day, 12 hours every day. So I think different stages of life and right now it’s working well.
Chris (32:26.415)
Mm.
Chris (32:36.335)
No, no.
Chris (32:42.672)
it works. And you were saying on Wednesday, kind of that’s a social media day and we’re a couple of crusty old blokes. So you’re way on top of it more than we are, but you’re on Instagram and you’ve got your YouTube channel and all that contributed to being in the dentistry top 50 in 2022. There’s a great side to it that we see, but is there a downside to it as well? Can it be something that’s quite hard to present yourself as you do on social media?
Yewande Oduwole (32:49.183)
Hahaha
Yewande Oduwole (32:54.88)
Hahaha!
Yewande Oduwole (33:10.835)
Hmm. Social media, the world of Instagram, it’s got it’s, it’s a double-edged sword because you can, I feel like it’s got so many positives where if it wasn’t for social media, a lot of the opportunities I’ve had wouldn’t have really come about because I was just doing me from my YouTube channel and obviously I started my Instagram and then you naturally connect with other people and people interested in what you’re doing.
Chris (33:15.511)
Hmm.
Chris (33:27.183)
Mm.
Chris (33:36.329)
Yep.
Yewande Oduwole (33:38.055)
So I’ve loved social media from the standpoint of being able to connect with people, but the negative side of it is you do get a sense of comparison, especially as a young dentist, you’re looking at what everyone’s doing and it’s, you know, back in the day, dentists would just do their own thing and you never know what’s going on. But I’ve fallen into it where you compare yourself to dentists that are, you know, 10 years more qualified than you and you’re like, why, why am I not?
Chris (33:58.063)
Hmm.
Chris (34:04.983)
Mmm, yeah.
Yewande Oduwole (34:06.94)
doing this or why my work isn’t to this degree. And you can get really quite upset and depressed, but comparison is a thief of joy. I love that saying. Anytime I get into a, you know, comparing and I told young dentists as well that, look, you focus on your joy and you don’t know what that person’s been through. Social media can be smoke and mirrors. can, it’s a highlight rule. You see all the great positive things that
Chris (34:15.715)
Hmm. Hmm. Yeah.
Chris (34:29.923)
Mmm. Yeah. Yeah.
Chris (34:35.253)
Mm. Mm.
Yewande Oduwole (34:36.615)
people are doing, but everyone has their own struggles and I’m quite open.
Chris (34:40.008)
They don’t show you their failures, do they? but also I think You’re very kind to say it’s a highlight reel because some people just blatantly lie pump some people just literally blatantly lie online to boost their own ego or make up for whatever failures they’ve and You’re right because we only ever get to see that pixel of their life that they decide to share We don’t even know if it’s true or not and I think having that kind of checking in with yourself from time to time that actually just
Yewande Oduwole (34:49.562)
Ugh.
Yewande Oduwole (35:01.01)
Yeah.
Chris (35:09.719)
You just do your stuff. You do your stuff, you put it out there, and if it resonates with somebody and it makes their day, or it’s helpful, it’s useful, then that’s great. But I’m not gonna worry whether it ranks above or below somebody else’s content. And you’re right, because it’s very easy to almost kind of fall into the trap of talking about the downside of social media. But I’m with you. The amount of good things that have come out of it for me as well, and for us as a business, it’s brilliant. And okay, as a business,
Yewande Oduwole (35:20.757)
Yeah.
Yewande Oduwole (35:29.885)
Mmm. Mmm.
Chris (35:39.426)
you tend not to get trolled and abused as an individual might. But overwhelmingly, the experience is positive. It’s a good thing. The problem is that when it gets nasty, it gets nasty quite quickly. And that’s kind of it. And because people being people and we all have emotions, it kind of hurts quite quickly.
Yewande Oduwole (35:49.924)
Yes.
Yewande Oduwole (36:02.062)
Yeah, I think you both do it quite well as well. I don’t know Chris if you’re on social media much. don’t see you but…
Chris (36:09.039)
I think you could possibly say I have a Facebook account which I never use and I do have a LinkedIn. I’m probably bit more active. I have Instagram but I think I’ve got a hundred and forty followers and I think I posted pictures of a chicken and a barbecue possibly. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I am authentically not interested.
Yewande Oduwole (36:12.31)
Yeah.
Yewande Oduwole (36:29.626)
You’re being true to yourself, you see? The key is being authentic.
Exactly. And look, it’s not for everyone. I always say there’s so many successful dentists that don’t have social media. So I think in this day and age, a lot of people are very sort of, I need to be like this Instagram dentist or, you know, make this social media page in order to be successful, but not necessarily, you know, and.
Chris (36:43.856)
yeah.
Chris (36:50.263)
Hmm.
Chris (36:54.768)
It’s one of many marketing channels. I’m lucky that my business partner is a genius. But isn’t it? It’s just a marketing channel. So if you have a really good relationship with your local school.
Yewande Oduwole (37:05.54)
Yeah.
Chris (37:08.879)
and you do all health education, you know, trips to the school and you educate children. And as a result of that, you happen to get all the parents coming to your practice. That’s just another marketing tool. And I think it’s easy to forget that it’s just another channel to get your audience. And it’s not the only one. It’s not the most important one. It is just a channel. What does the what does the future hold for you, own day? You know, do you see yourself as being leaning, leaning thoughtfully? Yeah.
Yewande Oduwole (37:14.074)
Mm-hmm.
Yewande Oduwole (37:19.193)
Yeah.
Yewande Oduwole (37:25.081)
Yeah.
Yewande Oduwole (37:29.507)
Exactly.
Yewande Oduwole (37:34.191)
Phew.
Chris (37:38.863)
But is it, it, you do you just enjoy the clinical work? Do you have aspirations in on the business side? Would you like to own a practice? Would you like to have multiple practices? What was you thinking?
Yewande Oduwole (37:39.689)
you
Yewande Oduwole (37:48.574)
the big question, the future. At the moment, I feel I’m living my life how things have just fallen into place for me. I’m trying not to put too much pressure on the future per se, just allowing things to work. And I found that everything works together for good. I enjoy the moment. And one thing you said, Andy, you gave a talk at the event, Joe’s event, and I remember the quote you said.
Chris (37:59.376)
Hmm.
Chris (38:02.829)
Yeah.
Chris (38:07.319)
Enjoy the moment.
Yewande Oduwole (38:17.388)
by Bronnie Ware about, want to live a life that’s true to myself, not what others expected me. And that was from the top regrets of the dying. So yeah, when you said that, I was just like, wow, that’s so true. And I think I’m guilty of saying, people expect me to kind of do this or do that. But at the end of the day, I need to live a life that’s true to me. And I’ve always played with the idea of, should I own a practice? Should I not? At the moment, there’s not something
Chris (38:20.493)
Hmm
Yeah, probably were. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Chris (38:35.831)
Mmm.
Chris (38:41.199)
Hmm.
Yewande Oduwole (38:46.143)
sorry but that’s something that I’m I’m interested I feel like I’m interested in but who knows in the future that might change
Chris (38:53.008)
But it is horses for courses. Some people, want it. It’s a burning thing. Some people just aren’t remotely interested in some people just develop into it so that there’s no right or But also I think that I always think it’s a shame where people feel that as a dentist.
Yewande Oduwole (39:01.932)
Yeah.
Chris (39:08.495)
There’s kind of this sort of unwritten hierarchy that says you go from being an associate to a practice owner And at some point you have to become a practice owner to be considered a serious dentist. You don’t just be an associate But I think you so I think it’s cobblers. I genuinely think it’s cobblers I think you can be an awesome dentist and live your career as an associate and not
Yewande Oduwole (39:14.534)
Yeah. Yeah.
Chris (39:29.739)
want to have a practice, not have a desire to own a practice and still financially, it still works really well. And you can have a massive contribution. And I always think it’s a shame if people feel that they need to own a practice to somehow step up that ladder. I don’t think it’s the case. And lots of the people that do, do it for the wrong reasons or they find it doesn’t actually fulfill the thing they thought it was going to fulfill. So I think keeping an open mind and not boxing yourself in is so smart.
Yewande Oduwole (39:38.585)
Yeah. Yeah.
Yewande Oduwole (39:50.537)
Yeah.
That’s what I think. think I have a feeling like when I feel something I go for it and it may change and you know opportunities may present themselves. You know I’ve always said if I was going to own a practice I probably want to pair up with someone because doing it I respect people that do it all by themselves as it’s a lot. I see what you know my principles have to go through you know CQC and organizing this and you’re actually going away from the clinical dentistry. It’s more sort of
Chris (40:12.943)
Hmm.
Chris (40:27.663)
Mm. Mm.
Yewande Oduwole (40:28.529)
organizing things and putting things together. Whereas right now I’m loving clinical dentistry and think I’m…
Chris (40:34.095)
It’s great to hear. Yeah, it’s lovely to really nice.
Yewande Oduwole (40:37.213)
Yeah, but I might come knocking on your door in a few years time.
Chris (40:42.092)
I’ll be retired. In your in your youth you were very busy and you had lots and lots of jobs In your years when you were a youngster You had lots of jobs and one of those jobs was a TV extra weren’t you you appeared on TV a couple of times?
Yewande Oduwole (40:49.319)
In my youth! my gosh, you make me feel old.
Yewande Oduwole (41:01.845)
that youth, I thought you were talking about like dental school. I was gonna say…
Chris (41:05.655)
No, no, no, no, no, no, you’re non-dental youth. How did you end up in the world of television?
Yewande Oduwole (41:14.59)
So that’s a funny story actually. So whilst I was, before dentistry, before, you know, all of that, I had many jobs, many, many jobs. I’ve worked as a cleaner, I’ve worked in retail, in Apple, I’ve worked in All Saints. And then one of the jobs I came across was being a TV extra. And I was like, this seems fun.
So I put myself forward for it and I ended up being in Top Boy as a, it was like, it was a very minor art. I didn’t have any lines. Just, I think it was a scene, Mike Ward, who was coming into the hospital. He was holding flowers and I had to just check him in. I was a nurse. So, but the camera went on me and I had so many people message me like, my gosh, you’re in Top Boy. So that’s my claim to fame.
Chris (42:10.895)
Brilliant, brilliant. Any aspirations for TV or movies? we going to see you in Hollywood anytime soon? any amdram. Do know any amdram?
Yewande Oduwole (42:11.761)
Yeah.
Yewande Oduwole (42:20.275)
the moment I don’t know maybe maybe in a dental context I’d love to be one of those sort of adverts and I do kind of like social media things you know the one dentist thinks this the censored I’m the Colgate maybe I might be one of those but I don’t know about the top boy I don’t know if I’ll make another appearance on there again
Chris (42:27.887)
Okay, okay.
Chris (42:32.836)
Yeah.
Chris (42:40.932)
That was a one-off. Yeah. Oh, no, when I read it, I thought it a great story. Great story. We’ve got to the point where we need to ask you two very, very, very serious questions because we can’t let you go until we ask these questions. The first one is if you could be a fly on the wall in a situation, where would you be and who would be there?
Yewande Oduwole (42:42.419)
What?
Yewande Oduwole (42:46.545)
Yes.
Yewande Oduwole (42:51.344)
Yewande Oduwole (42:56.595)
Mmm.
Yewande Oduwole (43:01.747)
Ooh. Dental or non dental?
Yewande Oduwole (43:12.986)
Hmm, if I’m being controversial with dental when they were making the whole You know the contracts and when it all came to pass in the beginning like who was responsible for putting all that together And it’s ended up working because that caused a lot of drama Obviously, that’s all changing at the moment, but not dental I’d say when Martin Luther King was writing the speech. I have it. I have a dream
Chris (43:26.968)
You
Chris (43:30.777)
John Rentschel? No. Yeah.
Yewande Oduwole (43:42.085)
because I think in that moment when he was writing that speech, it must have been a time where it was a lot of pressure to, know, with race and everything. that must have been a moment just sitting down there and putting that speech together. And the fact that it’s remained prevalent for years to come, I just wanted to know what was going through his mind when he was writing that.
Chris (43:51.279)
Mmm
Chris (44:02.703)
Mmm. Mmm. Mmm.
I think the most remarkable thing about that speech for me is he gave that speech in August 1963. And so if you think in August 1963, the communication channels, they weren’t fantastic. literally was using the mail and sending a letter or a telegram type thing and there was a telephone, but that was kind of it. But 250,000 people turned up to the Lincoln Memorial in Washington because they’d heard this bloke was going to say,
Yewande Oduwole (44:13.062)
Yeah.
Yewande Oduwole (44:18.672)
Yes.
Yewande Oduwole (44:23.793)
Hmm.
Chris (44:36.914)
something interesting. So when we talk today about influence and influencers and then you think back in the 1960s, word got out that this guy was going to say something that was so important to hear 250,000 people gathered to listen to what he had to say. I think that’s just, no nothing. It was word of mouth. Most of it would have been word of mouth but to get a quarter of a million people to turn up
Yewande Oduwole (44:38.214)
Yeah.
Yewande Oduwole (44:45.04)
Yeah.
Yewande Oduwole (44:50.223)
Mm-hmm.
Yewande Oduwole (44:54.277)
No social media, nothing.
Yewande Oduwole (45:02.347)
Amazing.
Chris (45:02.487)
to listen to. I think it’s unreal. It’s absolutely, and the photographs of it now give you chills when you look at the the masses of people standing there, waiting to hear what he’s got to say, which is why I think it’s such an incredible speech.
Yewande Oduwole (45:12.611)
Yeah.
Yeah, and to see how much progress has been made since then as well. Obviously there’s still ways to go in some areas, but the fact that he had that vision and I think it just was the catalyst to that momentum and having people that believed in your vision. And I think that’s just so inspiring. So, yeah.
Chris (45:20.601)
Yeah,
Chris (45:27.977)
Mm. Mm. Yeah.
Chris (45:35.309)
Yeah, yeah, cool. And if you could meet somebody, who would you like to meet if you were given the opportunity to sit down and have a glass of something with somebody?
Yewande Oduwole (45:46.665)
I said this, I’ve said this before, I know we spoke about her earlier. I think because I’d planned to meet Uchenna but I didn’t get the chance before she passed away, it would have been nice to actually speak in person. And I would say Michelle Obama. I feel like she’s such a powerhouse. And I feel like being in a room with her, she’d
Chris (45:54.477)
Hmm
Chris (46:08.907)
Mark. She is, she? Yeah.
Yewande Oduwole (46:13.326)
You know, those people that are just inspiring and they just start saying things and they’re like, wow, you know.
Chris (46:15.887)
Yeah. I think she looks like good fun as well. They have presence. think her and Barak, I bet they have a right giggle. I bet they have some really good times between the two of them as well. It was quite good when they did, didn’t they do James Corden, Karl Paul, Carrie O’Keefe? Yeah, I think they did it. That was quite good fun. was good fun.
Yewande Oduwole (46:23.712)
Yeah.
What is this?
Yewande Oduwole (46:33.485)
yeah, good fun, good fun. And hopefully be in a room with both of you soon as well at the next event. I get to talk to you.
Chris (46:40.688)
Yeah, I was gonna say there’ll be some bits coming up in the the next couple of months I’m sure. starting to kick off isn’t Exactly, it’s getting busy again isn’t it? Your band day has been a joy. Thank you very very much. It really has been enjoyable. Yeah, it’s been brilliant. I think the the work you’re doing is great and I just think you have you have a positive force I think whenever we talk, you know I always walk away feeling better because you are bright and you’re positive and so many other people in dentistry get that from you as well So you’re you’re a very valuable valuable contributor to the dental profession
Yewande Oduwole (46:51.02)
That’s not fair.
Yewande Oduwole (46:58.796)
Aww.
Yewande Oduwole (47:07.286)
Thank you.
Chris (47:10.661)
Thank
Yewande Oduwole (47:11.318)
Thank you so much. It’s been a pleasure. And honestly, it’s been such a laugh. I’ve really enjoyed it. It doesn’t even feel like a podcast. I’ve just been talking to friends and thank you for being like, it felt like in this industry, there’s very few genuinely kind people. And both of you have just been so lovely and kind. And whenever I meet you, just, you know, just been wanting to just speak life into me. And I just really appreciate that. So just wanted to say that, you know, keep doing what you’re doing as well and just always being the great people you are.
Chris (47:30.607)
Bless you.
Chris (47:40.986)
Thank you very much. Very sweet of you. But go on, carry on with your rest of your day. Look after yourself and we’ll see you soon. Cheers, Gerardo. Cheers, Kingwell. Cheers, Dad.
Yewande Oduwole (47:43.446)
Yeah.
Yewande Oduwole (47:48.138)
Bye!
